Here is the second part of a conversation about the Jewish people and observing Sabbath. It originated on Facebook. I thought it was an interesting exchange of ideas so I decided to post it here for you to join in the conversation.
If you haven’t read the first part, you can read Following Spiritually Blinded Jews: Part 1 now. When you are finish come back to catch up.
Facebook Writer #2:
It like this, the Jews should try to be like the Christian and not the Christian patterning themselves after the Jew. U must remember it was never theiir job to teacher us!!! The Bible said his own did not recieve him? Show in scripture where it said that the Jew are to teach the church of God. The Old covernment laws that have been done away with. The Holy Ghost superseed everything!!! Please referred to Galation or Hebrews this will settle the score. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUSTION IN RIGHTIOUSNESS: That the man of God may be PERFECT, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” Now where does this tell us the Jews is supposed to do what the Holy Ghost has and will do…
I already commented on Hebrews and Galatians. Did you read it? When Paul told Timothy that all scripture was profitable he was referring to the Torah and the Prophets, that which he knew since he was highly educated in the scriptures. He identifies himself as an apostle of Jesus Christ, whom the prophets spoke of in the Holy Scriptures. (Roman 1:1-2) Any time he is referring to the Scriptures he’s referring to what we call the Old Testament, which he talks a lot about.
If the law is voided then there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for Yeshua. “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law (Torah) is the knowledge of sin.” (Rom. 3:20) “Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law (Torah).” (Rom. 3:31)
How can there be a new testament without an old testament? How can there be a beginning without an end?
The New Testament was written by Jewish men who lived Jewish lifestyles and understood the scriptures (OT). It’s because of them that we know what we know.
Jesus told his disciples, who were Jewish men, to teach the nations to observe all things that he had commanded them. (Mt. 28:19-20) Therefore, it has always been their job to teach us. So the Jews have been teaching us ever since.
Jesus says that the Torah and the Prophets spoke of him. So if the OT was done away with, then why in the world would Jesus say this? He and his disciples referred to the OT a lot. The disciples continue to refer to the OT even after his death. But now all of a sudden, the OT doesn’t matter anymore? That’s not even logical. Please show me in the scriptures where this happened.
Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosever therefore shall break one of these commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Mt 5:17-19 KJV)
Since the heavens and earth are still here, then it’s a safe bet that the OT is still relevant.
The Holy Spirit’s job is to bring us into all truth, show us things to come and to testify of Yeshua. You cannot know that Jesus is the Messiah without knowing the OT. Otherwise, what proof do we have that he is who he says he is? So the Holy Spirit will show you in the OT the promises God made concerning him.
If every day is a Sabbath then everyone has broken the fourth commandment because most people work at least five days out of the week. There should be no working, preparing for work, or shopping on the Sabbath. (Ex. 20:10; Num. 15:32-36; Neh. 10:31)
And if we are not to honor one of the commandments given by God (who thought enough of them to write them not once but twice) then it is a safe bet that we don’t have to honor any of them, including honoring God himself.
After reading through this again I realize that I should have been a little clearer in some things. Eventually, I will write a post about this subject matter. Until then, let me know what you think?
Do you feel the Old Testament is irrelevant? Do you believe that the Old Testament speaks of Yeshua being the Messiah? What do you believe about Sabbath keeping? Do you think someone is under the law if they keep it? Do you participate in Sabbath keeping?